Subarashiki Hibi Thread

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#1 by theautocrat666
2012-08-03 at 18:24
Welcome oh belated subarashik hibi thread of mine.
The philosophical senses that pervade me say this game merits my gameplay.
What I want to know is:

A. What individual topics of philosophy are covered.

B.If you highly acknowledge the philosophy in Suba, why?

And -

C. If it really is all that special why god, why do I flamin have to learn Japanese? Ack ack ack!

Oh wait, god doesn't exist, right?
I just hope any metaphysics and phenomana in subarashiki hibi won't be expalined as simply a miracle.
#2 by gabezhul
2012-08-03 at 18:36
For starters, why in the frozen hellscape did you add this to VNDB discussions?!
<Edit:> Thread moved.

Also... Ugh... Your choice of words makes my head hurt... -.-
#3 by 7hs
2012-08-03 at 18:57
A. Much of the philosophy in the game is directly inspired by Ludwig Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus, and the Tractatus and Wittgenstein's other works are quoted from extensively. SubaHibi, however, isn't greatly concerned with the explorations of language and logic that people usually consider to be the meat and potatoes of Wittgenstein's philosophy - instead it focuses on those subjects he ventures into in the latter parts of propositions 5 and 6, particularly the properties of the metaphysical subject, the concept of personal worlds and their relationship to each other, and the natures of death, life and God.

There are references to many other philosophical concepts such as Descartes' deus deceptor, Leibniz' theory of pre-established harmony and the theology of Nicolaus Cusanus, but none are discussed in comparable depth.

B. If nothing else, SCA-JI's reading of Wittgenstein is novel and unique - I'd hazard a guess that he's the first writer to ever attempt interpreting the latter sections of the Tractatus in such a literal fashion. It's also quite likely the most serious treatment of contemporary philosophy in any eroge, and possibly in any game period. While I can't say that SubaHibi caused me to rethink my perspective on the world itself, as the greatest of philosophy can, it serves excellently in its role as as a literary element and definitely gives anyone interested in the subject a few things to think about.

C. You don't, you just have to be patient.Last modified on 2012-08-03 at 19:07
#4 by ipohmari
2012-08-03 at 19:01

I agree with Gabezhul for once.
#5 by theautocrat666
2012-08-03 at 19:06

Slap my ass and call me Sally!
Why in God's grace did I do that.
You know what makes my head hurt, Yahoo Answers religion and spirituality section. Now that shit really grinds your gears.
#6 by vvav
2012-08-03 at 19:09
>I just hope any metaphysics and phenomana in subarashiki hibi won't be expalined as simply a miracle.

Nope. The Elder Gods in Subahibi don't really go past fucking with people's heads and making them see futanari dicks everywhere.
#7 by gabezhul
2012-08-03 at 19:13
@7hs: Argh... Damn, now you just made me want to read some philosophy. Damn you. :P
#8 by theautocrat666
2012-08-03 at 19:13
^^Sick :/
Well, some good mindfuck now and then can serve well, right?


As long as Sca-jii avoided paradoxes and any sort of circular reasoning in his interpretation of Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus then it very well might change my views about the world. I have heard many good things and I will rely on my emotional connection with the game to establish (if any) serious contemplation from me.
I will have to read Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus but my philosophical whims are fixated on Nietzsche at the moment.
You are of the opinion that Suba-hibi will be translated then?Last modified on 2012-08-03 at 19:25
#9 by herki
2012-08-03 at 19:20
Who doesn't love fucking a futa elder god?
#10 by gabezhul
2012-08-03 at 19:21
*puts hand in the air*
*timidly looks around and sees no other hands in the air*
*timidly lowers hand and hangs head in shame*
#11 by theautocrat666
2012-08-03 at 19:27
You're a strange fellow Gabe. *raises an eyebrow*
I just don't get the use of the word timid in the context you used it. *raises a second eyebrow*
#12 by 7hs
2012-08-03 at 20:11
You are of the opinion that Suba-hibi will be translated then?

I don't see that there's any reason to be skeptical that it will be, considering we released one partial patch already and the translator honored your thread by posting about futanari dicks in it.
#13 by theautocrat666
2012-08-03 at 20:17

I see.
I had been told a few times that it was almost certain that Suba-hibi would not get an English patch. You bring good news and for that, I thank you.
#14 by horseband
2012-08-03 at 21:44
I just don't get the use of the word timid in the context you used it. *raises a second eyebrow*

I see no issue with his use of timid. "Showing a lack of courage or confidence;" He raised his hand without any confidence in his choice and then lowered it back down in the same way.
#15 by theautocrat666
2012-08-03 at 22:11

It was aimed at me. Timid would not describe my demeanour. -_-
#16 by horseband
2012-08-04 at 03:39
I think I'm missing something because I don't see how that was aimed at you... Perhaps I'm missing some context from a previous conversation you two had. Because from the way I see it he's just making a joke about how he is the only one here who doesn't love the almighty futa god.
#17 by theautocrat666
2012-08-04 at 09:20
The almighty futa god eh. Something tells me if one was to take drugs and play suba hibi one might lose his sanity.
#18 by herki
2012-08-04 at 19:24
Takuji takes plenty of drugs for you.
#19 by yutaro
2012-08-07 at 14:57
well Suba-Hibi is something that you would either hate to the bone or love with all of your heart.. well as for me it became the latter that's why i'm happy that its going to have a translation as i could see more of other people's view on this after they finished it(or at least the MAIN reason they would drop this)
#20 by encrypted12345
2012-08-07 at 15:05
Why is it polarizing? Unless it's a major spoiler, please explain.
#21 by bminorkey
2012-08-07 at 15:40
It's not. The only thing polarizing about it are a few H-scenes. Unless you're some philistine who only plays games for action / sex or something. But Subahibi has a lot of that as well so yeah I guess it's not polarizing.

Also Subahibi never really presented a philosophical thesis, the most philosophical it ever got is raising a few interesting questions as an aside. The game is philosophical in the sense that it contains a literary interpretation of Wittgenstein: SCA-JI reads the Tractatus like a poem or a novel.Last modified on 2012-08-07 at 15:41
#22 by ananassa
2012-08-07 at 20:43
It seems that one would have to do a bit of reading up on Wittgenstein to fully understand this game then, is that right? Though, I'm left wondering if reading of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass is required as well, with the chapters' titles and all.
#23 by vvav
2012-08-07 at 21:06
It's polarizing because it's pretty much the most horrifying thing you'll ever play, it has shit tons of strange fetishes in H-scenes that go on for WAY too long, and a lot of people are probably going to accuse it of just throwing philosophy in to seem deep.

Both Alice in Wonderland books feature very prominently, as do the Bible, Ginga Tetsudou no Yoru, and Cyrano de Bergerac. There are tons of other books referenced as well but those are the most important ones. Alice in Wonderland is mostly related to Zakuro, Cyrano is almost entirely used in Zakuro's chapter, the Bible only really shows up from Takuji's perspective, and Ginga Tetsudou no Yoru is the story that large parts of Rabbit Hole I is modeled after. The Tractatus of course permeates the entire VN. The Tractatus is definitely the most important piece of literature referenced in Subahibi, but it's also the hardest one for someone to read, and you don't really need to read any of the books referenced to understand the basic plot in Subahibi.
#24 by herki
2012-08-08 at 00:13
yeah you could try reading tractatus

try being the keyword
#25 by horseband
2012-08-08 at 01:07

Not the same as reading it but it's a dumbed down summary version for the masses. Otherwise, as Herki said, good luck trying to read it x.x;Last modified on 2012-08-08 at 01:08


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