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#1501 by barfboy
2018-11-02 at 22:17
done and thank you
#1502 by warfoki
2018-11-03 at 04:42
Alright, cleaned up the moderation queue again, got a couple left where I would appreciate some additional input:

Bisexual Sex - In theory it makes perfect sense. Like we have Homosexual and Lesbian Sex separated. In practice I feel that this trait would be used for characters partaking in orgies or female characters getting gang raped at the same time. Which, in my opinion, makes the trait kinda useless as a way to search for characters who actually engage in bisexual sex. Plus, there's the issue with futanaris...

Fake Lover - The idea is not necessarily bad, but i feel that the description is kinda convoluted and the trait is trying to cover too many things at once. Plus the name is kinda ambiguous. My first guess upon seeing it that this character pretends to be the lover of someone to use said someone for their own goals.

Forced Infidelity - Do we really need this? I mean, just using a combination of Blackmail, Infidelity and possibly Rape covers this already. And those would have to be tagged anyway... I guess there's a larger than zero chance of a character existing where all 3 of those traits are on and it wouldn't fit under Forced Infidelity, but if so I've yet to see one.

Wingman - I know I was the one who helped to name this, but I also remember stating that we don't need to tag this. And it kinda stands: there are a ton of actions that can be labeled as "being a wingman", so much so that it becomes kinda vague. Like, for example this guy is a clear example, as he spends half of that show getting the two donkan main characters together (and it's bloody hilarious and adorable, would recommend). But usually it's not that clear cut. Like, here's an example: A, B and C are friends. A has a crush on B, and B has a crush on A. C decides to opt out from a free time activity that they would do together, leaving the two characters alone with their crushes. As a result A and B get together. Is C a wingman? What if he never clarifies that he did it to push the two together, still count? Or he has to have the express intention of getting A and B together?Last modified on 2018-11-03 at 06:09
#1503 by minah
2018-11-03 at 05:56
I think Bisexual Sex is a useful trait. It's the sort of thing where I'd usually say to just filter for Men with Men Sex or Lesbian Sex and Heterosexual Sex, except the latter is too common to be a trait, so. Don't know why the context of the sex really matters; most other traits aren't separated for group sex vs. two people or rape vs. consensual.

EDIT: Oh, hang on, I see what you mean, that Bisexual Sex could imply "sex with men and women in the same scene" more strongly than "sex with men and women at any time ever." Hm. I don't know. I'll see if I can think of a clearer name.

I guess Fake Lover is meant to apply to the sort of comedy of errors trope where two people agree to pretend to be in a relationship with each other to fool other people, but that's not super clear in the description and probably too specific.

Agreed with you on the last two.Last modified on 2018-11-03 at 06:00
#1504 by batoo
2018-11-03 at 16:23
When I created the trait Forced Infidelity it was for Tachibana Nagisa who fits perfectly for her (and it's also the whole of her personality that inspired me the trait Incorruptible, with other examples of course).

I wanted to create a trait that differentiates more easily the "types" of infidelity, because the trait "infidelity" is itself quite broad and I wanted to differentiate this case because it's a type of infidelity which is detrimental to the whole of the couple, the one who is cheating is as much prejudiced as the one who is being deceived because he/she doesn't wish himself to deceive his/her spouse (more simply said, it is the exact opposite of Netorase who is purely consensual).

I can not explain it well enough so I'll illustrate it:
- Netorase (the two lovers agree that one has sex with another)
- Infidelity (one deliberately cheated on the other, no matter how the events that led to this infidelity, as long as the one who deceives the other perceives a personal "profit")
- Forced Infidelity (no one wants it and no one takes pleasure in doing it, to couple with the incorruptible trait if the original couple is not destroyed by this forced infidelity, it is possible that this infidelity is a secret for the other lover just as he can find out during the VN).

But otherwise yes, it's basically a trait to replace the combination of traits that are:
Infidelity + Blackmail + Rape / Rape by Proxy + Incorruptible (basically, it's a simplification).

I hope I have well explained but it's to the moderators to decide if the trait is useful or not at the end :)

For Wingman, well if the description really doesn't match and is too vague then I would let someone else create it better (I'm not a native english speaker after all ^^), I only have three examples of characters who play this role (including two who played it unconsciously) and I based on their actions to try to make a description ^^Last modified on 2018-11-03 at 16:25
#1505 by namingmegently
2018-11-04 at 16:10
Sentient Object was placed in the Role > Nature category, not Body, so then why does Sentient Object's description specify that the character has the form of an inanimate object instead of just the nature of an inanimate object? As it is, the trait can't be paired with Humanoid (Non-human).
#1506 by barfboy
2018-11-10 at 18:23
I think the Nursing Handjob trait is long overdue

It's a typical mother play/babying fetish that shows up quite often and should be separate from 'nursing' as those often don't involve a corresponding handjob.

Should the trait be acceptable I ask that the two images under Adult Breast Feeding and Adult Breast Feeding which show a nursing handjob and not just nursing be moved under the new trait and get replaced with new images.
#1507 by thewayfarer
2018-11-13 at 02:33
About the Goblin trait that got rejected...

I'm getting there. I found at least three characters who are goblins:

Cla-Min
Goblin
GrobLast modified on 2018-11-13 at 02:33
#1508 by ramaladni
2018-11-13 at 08:34
#1507 Two of them are even listed as Orcs, huh...

#1504 So, Netorare Type C?Last modified on 2018-11-13 at 08:43
#1509 by thewayfarer
2018-11-13 at 09:33
#1508
Orcs are an akin to the folklore Goblins, but nowadays "orc" only refer to those "tall and strong greenskins." But just using that word on the goblins is just confusing.
#1510 by beliar
2018-11-13 at 09:49
Indeed, if we go by Tolkiens definition, goblins and orcs are the same thing. However in modern fantasy fiction that is frequently not the case. Case in point, Cla-Min is from a VN where both goblins and orcs exist and they are different species. Hence, whoever gave these characters an orc trait wasn't incorrect in the classical sense, but was incorrect regarding a particular fictional universe.
#1511 by thewayfarer
2018-11-13 at 11:51
Well, the goblins were dated *waaaaay* back in the years before Orcs have coined as a fantasy species. It's like Tolkiens' version of a "muscular goblin", which has since became a distinguishable species across other media in modern fantasy.

(PS: That was me. I check the history. You know I tend to "improvise" traits .)
#1512 by batoo
2018-11-13 at 17:46
#1508 Yeah, basically Forced Infidelity is the equivalent (as trait) of NTR Type C (who's a tag).
#1513 by gregory
2018-11-14 at 00:18
NSFW
What is this sex position called? I don't know how to tag it.Last modified on 2018-11-14 at 00:18
#1514 by warfoki
2018-11-14 at 01:58
We don't really have one, so don't tag it. And no, we are not adding new sex positions.
#1515 by bobjr2000
2018-11-14 at 02:14
since doesn't have specific name I would say sitting is close enough. Its not cowgirl since other guy isn't lying down.
#1516 by namingmegently
2018-11-14 at 05:22
What role should the characters be under who are genuinely (not role-playing) inanimate objects in human form? The wording in Sentient Object's description indicates that the characters listed under it are to be in the same form as their nature. What about the characters who don't outwardly reveal their real nature through physical features, and look completely human?

And are the food characters to be called 'objects' as well?
#1517 by steamboatwillie
2018-11-14 at 05:47
Anthropomorphized Inanimate Object?
#1518 by batoo
2018-11-14 at 12:36
Does the trait Alter Ego fit when protag. takes a time and/or dimensional travel and meets another version (physical and not mental) of himself?Last modified on 2018-11-14 at 12:36
#1519 by warfoki
2018-11-14 at 14:44
No, alter-ego is all about the same person living a double life.
#1520 by savagetiger
2018-11-15 at 02:47
So Whittling got approved but Ear Cleaning is too pointless? At least ear cleaning is something that would pop up in more than one VN.

Maybe make it more specific that it means that Japanese style with the head on lap and strange fluffy tool style of ear cleaning 'ritual'.Last modified on 2018-11-15 at 02:51
#1521 by batoo
2018-11-15 at 10:25
#1519 Thx! :3
#1522 by barfboy
2018-11-18 at 01:09
Is Hachiroku an Anthropomorphized Inanimate Object?
Anthropomorphized Inanimate Object
#1523 by warfoki
2018-11-18 at 10:42
Haven't read the VN admittedly, but seems to me like a perfect fit.
#1524 by namingmegently
2018-11-18 at 11:37
Inanimate objects are purely physical. So if a 'control module' in this context refers also to the hardware housing the software, then it would fit. If 'control module' refers only to software, then it would not fit. I've never heard of a control module for a locomotive, so who knows what it's supposed to entail.
#1525 by warfoki
2018-11-18 at 11:54
Uhm, that tag encompasses moe anthropomorphism as well, for which this character seems to be a perfect fit.

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