Need Help with understanding the story
|#1 by lonelyintrovert|
2015-04-08 at 18:20
|So I finished SubaHibi yesterday and even though I loved it. I don't really understand what exactly happens in EndSky II. Not only that but how does this all tie in with Down the Rabbit Hole 1? Any answer is appreciated. Thanks :)|
|#2 by zeality|
2015-04-09 at 11:54
|Well, all anyone could give to you as an answer is rather an interpretation, since Sca-ji (the writer) intended to leave Subarashiki Hibi to the readers' interpretation. After all, that is the whole purpose of Tsui no Sora II. Here's my main idea, though.|
The core concept of SubaHibi's story is the 'internal world' as Zakuro described in RH1 and was brought up in the Wonderful Everyday End, and it's essentially the subjective perspective of an individual. Mamiya Tomosane is that individual *in relevance to the story*, and SubaHibi seems to be detailing the happenings of Tomosane's world with everything appearing in the story being what he's seeing/experiencing. Like it's a simulation of his mind/stream-of-consciousness.
But the point is that 'we', the readers, are not Tomosane. SubaHibi must be aware of these things since it takes this concept very seriously, basing it off of Wittgenstein's propositional logic with no room for artistic license. So from the readers' point of view, this subjectivity affair rather translates to: SubaHibi's medium is used as a part of the plot's mechanic and the story is metafictional in nature.
It appears that Otonashi Ayana, an irrelevant element to Tomosane's world, knows everything about Tomosane's world.. almost as if she's perhaps read the entire script to SubaHibi beforehand to know. With this in mind, Ayana can be seen as a fictional representation of "every entity that lies outside the story" (outside Tomosane's world), which are the writer (Sca-ji) and readers who end up knowing everything. Though what she means for Tomosane's world translates to 'The Great Unknown' for him, basically.
Now we come to Minakami Yuki, who's quite relevant to Tomosane's world and "awakens" in Tsui no Sora II having retained memory of the rest of the story all the way back to RH1. I think Yuki is the transcendental 'soul', a representation of "every entity within the story as perceived by Tomosane" (仮定7), and being connected like that she does indeed hold all of those memories. Yuki as the spirit of Tomosane is portraying his world, and we're seeing a cross-section of his world in reading SubaHibi.
If you've understood things so far, RH1 and Tsui no Sora II are the metafictional parts taking place "outside" Tomosane's world. But I believe this can be translated to: RH1 and TnSII are the parts that take place when Tomosane's not showing awareness (a state of unconsciousness/etc.) since he has nothing to perceive during those instances.
Regarding Your Question:
Tsui no Sora II is where Ayana, a metaphor of 'The Great Unknown' to Tomosane, and Yuki, his panache/spirit/soul, face each other to decide upon a hypothesis for the story. I think the scene represents Tomosane questioning himself on his subjective perspective of the world in order to align it. A natural subconscious process we do all the time.
RH1 is definitely a metaphor for the entire main story. You have Yuki the World Girl helping Zakuro in a ritual to find the meeting place between the World Girl and the Sky Girl, which ends up being July 20 on Rooftop C. The main story culminates to Mamiya Tomosane as himself meeting Hasaki at July 20, on Rooftop C. Zakuro is the catalyst for all the events that led to that meeting, and Yuki was the sole person guiding Tomosane to become the hero (which in turn leads him to become himself). So I think RH1 for Tomosane translates to him coming to terms with his existence in the world, and the state of being of his world. Another natural subconscious process we do all the time.
Both are pretty much the same thing though. Now, I said that Ayana represents the writer and readers (us), from our point of view. That means the actual perspective things are seen from is Otonashi Ayana, and we're only seeing what she perceives to be Tomosane's world (a cross-section of it). Metafiction, basically. And why this is the way it is, is the next big question.
Last thing I want to mention amongst all this subjectivism. I believe Sca-ji did include in the story's script something of an actual 'answer' to what SubaHibi's plot is, but it's purposefully written in a comedic, light-hearted spot no one would ever think to look (Hint: it's in Jabberwocky I), probably just to make fun of the notion that this story would ever have a real answer. You can only interpret SubaHibi like the nature of a philosophical argument, not answer to it as a question.
Take everything I've said with a grain of salt. Although I would recommend you think on all of this, at least. Just so it can help you know where to start in building your own understanding of SubaHibi.Last modified on 2015-04-10 at 22:08
|#3 by lonelyintrovert|
2015-04-11 at 05:35
|Thanks for the reply! Many parts make much more sense after reading your interpretation. Btw, do you happen to know the lyrics for the ending of Endsky 2? It feels very important to the story but I can't understand japanese.|
|#4 by zeality|
2015-04-12 at 03:49
|Unfortunately, I can't be of much help to you on this one, since it's pretty much extremely difficult to translate these lyrics into acceptable English. Here they are anyways.|
鉄の雨 避ける猫 その粒は肉を裂く
輝ける神の下 人の旋律 抱いて眠れ
鉛雲 吼える犬 祝福は臨終絵図
人々 怯える 真実の声
輝ける空の下 神の旋律 抱いて眠れLast modified on 2015-04-12 at 03:51
|#5 by ananassa|
2015-04-14 at 20:20
|I attempted to translate the lyrics sometime over a year ago. After tweaking them where necessary, this is what I get:|
Cursed Life / Blessed Life
(closer to Cursable Life / Blessable Life? idk)
The drops tear the flesh of the cat that avoids the iron rain
Risking its life taking shelter
It’s rust-colored rain; you might as well flood the Earth
In the dim light, from an eternal sky, is an invisible coffin
Dye it the color of rust! Ah, the Farthest Sky
In an epitaphless crowd of life
Under the shining God, embrace the people’s melody and sleep
The dog that barks at the lead clouds, a blessing is a dying wish;
At birth, the blaze of a curse
From the gap in the clouds, the Final Sky
Beautiful days are the Gods’ Siren
The people fear the voice of truth
Scalding words, a purge of the land
In an epitaphless crowd of life
Under the shining sky, embrace God’s melody and sleep
|#6 by 420yoloswag|
2016-11-22 at 06:05
Just finished the game and I really agree with your interpretation.
Also, I believe the scene in which the plot is revealed is
The scene in which Hasaki and Tomosane have the ridiculous conversation about imouto games.
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