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#26 by aexis
2015-05-29 at 22:02
Thanks for the links mmai.
One thing, I've always liked about VNs is the learning aspect about it, especially if it's real life theories applied in some awesome way, like with Morphogenetic field in 999.

My hype has increased, looking forward to 20th July.
#27 by warfoki
2015-05-29 at 22:40
What about mathematical constructs?

I would define mathematics as a human-made system for the logical representation of a hypothetical reality. What I mean here is that mathematics originate from the sensible reality. An absolute essential cornerstone of mathematics is a concept of numbers. The concept of numbers come from the sensible reality: for example entering a forest we can see that there are multiple similar entities (aka "trees") there. If we would live in a reality where there would be only one if everything: one man, one rock, one tree, one bush, etc., then we wouldn't have a concept of numbers, thus we wouldn't have math, or at least not in the current form. And no, in such a world we wouldn't have the concept of "one" either. Concepts exist for compartmentalisation. If a concept is all-encompassing, then that concept wouldn't exist. It's the ages old ying-yang philosophy: there is no darkness without light and so forth.

So math originates in the sensible reality. And it still represents it. Let's say you are making a fire. You have three logs on the ground, then you drop five more on it, so now you have a much larger pile consisting of eight logs. That is represented by 3+5=8. Of course that's grade school math. The more complicated the mathematical formula gets, the harder it is to find it in everyday reality. But we can still know that it works, since the individual steps to those formulas are all strictly logical and systematic. Therefore it must work, since logic is based on the sensible reality. It's simply combining logical steps into such complex constructs that might not represent an easily conceivable piece of reality. Hence the hypothetical part of my definition.Last modified on 2015-05-29 at 22:42
#28 by soulless-one
2015-05-29 at 23:50
What I mean here is that mathematics originate from the sensible reality.
Although the development/learning of mathematics is heavily influenced/aided by the sensible reality, I think mathematics does not require a sensible reality.

An absolute essential cornerstone of mathematics is a concept of numbers. The concept of numbers come from the sensible reality
Even natural numbers are not fundamental, they can be derived from more basic concepts.

So math originates in the sensible reality. And it still represents it.
Mathematical constructs does not necessarily represent the sensible reality. For example, one can use axioms which are physically false (when we try to make a correspondence between the model and reality).
(One might say that it still represents it, but in a wrong/hypothetical way. However, in many (more abstract) instances this would be quite forced, akin to saying that "the pencil on my desk represents my feelings about Dwarf Fortress, in a possibly incorrect way".)
Also, in the numberless world you imagined, someone could invent numbers (see above).
#29 by eacil
2015-05-30 at 03:00
Lol Warfoki who throw the noumenon on the trashcan after reading a line on a wiki, one of the object on which philosophy based itself during centuries and which bring the Phenomenology.
And now: it's philosophy time on vndb!
#30 by encrypted12345
2015-05-30 at 03:06
Shh, empiricism is 100% valid all the time. Except when trying to prove that reason is valid. And if you ignore Descartes and think you can trust all of your senses.

@27 To counteract your point about numbers not existing in a world with one of everything (in the sense that your example is bad rather than refuting your main point), a world with one bush and one tree would have two plants. A world with only one plant and one animal would have two living things. A world with only one animate thing and one inanimate thing still would have two things.

Even in an absolute void, you can simply cut it up into various squares like a grid and say there are two sections in this particular area I mention. Numbers are very abstract concepts. I dare to say they would exist even if we didn't discover them with senses.

And while i technically exists in reality, mathematicians were messing around with it for lulz before they found any use for it.Last modified on 2015-05-30 at 03:43
#31 by babymetal
2015-05-30 at 05:41
There also was a big chunk of aerodynamics.
#32 by babymetal
2015-05-30 at 05:43
And how the air interacts with a solid object like a body of girl...

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